President Obama turned from The Truth

uzza

20 plus years under Rev. J. Wright and now our President decides to approve of what they are doing. What say you about our President's decision. Here is NC, we just passed a ban on Gay Marriage. The President just gave the courts open rights to knock down those bans as unconstitutional.

I don't want to not vote, but I'm having a hard time with voting for this President. It is not about the color of his skin, but the content of his character.

Come on, talk to me! Help me understand why I should vote for this Brother who appears to be neither hot nor cold.

rantzmar · Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject:

Yeah its kinda hard. I would like to think he did it for political reasons only and not religious or what is right. After all, no matter how much we like the first black president, he is still a politician.

lakeside · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject:

Whether to vote for President Obama is not a choice anyone can really help you decide. Actually, I would hope no voter is that easily swayed. The fact that the President spent "20 plus years under" anyone's leadership should not have such an influence that their individual choice is diminished or eliminated. I love and respect my Pastor but in matters of state (voting, public support, etc) I tend to go with my own choice. That's true even if I ask for his advice; the choices I make are ultimately mine and his and anyone's advice is just that, advice for consideration.

I believe the President thinks he is making the best choice as President of a nation when supporting gay "marriages." He gains very little with the Black community in supporting this issue (according to surveys at least) and stands to lose a lot, especially with white voters.

Since Uzza brings up the issue of character, is the Republican choice (more and more likely to be Mitt Romney) of better character to deserve your vote?

For anyone addressing the character issue, does the President supporting/believing in same-sex marriage (which is actually different from just gay marriage) such a character flaw that it out weighs other character issues such as him being primarily a good steward, a husband of one wife (and only one wife), fathering two children with the same woman he is married to, passionate and devout about his beliefs that he sticks with his convictions (whether I agree or disagree), seems to be able to admit when he is wrong, and so on.

For the record, I voted for President Obama and I most likely to vote for him again. I know where he stands, I'm not so sure about the other candidates.

uzza · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject:

Brother Lakeside:

Is it easily swayed to place the Truth of God's Word in front of one's decision about voting for a particular candidate? Remember, I have five choices when it comes to voting for a candidate.

1. Dems 2. Reps 3. Indep 4. Write-in 5: No vote

I not sure that this decision would be a easily swayed decision, being that his record on this issue has been progressive towards approval of this lifestyle. As for the Repub candidate, I never approved of that party and still do not.

I've heard the excuse of "the lesser of two evils." I don't buy that either. Evil is evil, there is not lesser or greater.

"Render unto Ceasar, that which is Ceasar's and render unto God that which is God's." Does the vote belong to Ceasar or to God?

lakeside · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject:

Uzza,

I'm not clear on your final question about does the vote belong to Caesar or God. Venturing a guess on what I think you meant, I would say that voting is a matter of "Caesar's business." I say that because Jesus proclaimed that His kingdom is not of this earth. I believe that earthly affairs are of no concern to the Almighty God except when they suit His Will. In those cases, He manipulates according to His Will.

GraceandTruth · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject:

I do not think that render unto caesar what is caesar's has anything to do with voting or matters of state. In the text it is clear that Christ was speaking of a service issue because the coin had caesar's image it belonged to caesar but the person has God's image so the person belongs to God.

Lakeside I cannot agree with you statement that God is not concerned with matters of government and how we ally ourselves on such matters. Scripture illustrates God's concern as kings and people are destroyed for supporting the wrong rulers. Scripture tells us the powers that be are ordained of God so clearly God is more than interested in our government officials. To assume that God puts the power to choose leaders in our hands in America but then absolves us of the responsibility of the leaders we choose or that God would over rule our blatant disregard for his will when voting denies all the principles of stewardship taught in the Scriptures.

It also concerns me that disciples of Christ would think it a mark of character that a person is wrong and holds to that wrong in the face of the clear teaching of Scripture. There is no sincerity or character that is commendable in such an instance since sincerity demands purity and purity is clearly absent in recent decisions.

In keeping with the teaching of Scripture I am currently unable to vote for Romney for the simple reason that what he calls sincerity Scripture calls blasphemy.

I submit that voting qualifies as a whatosoever and Scripture is clear that even in matter as personal as eating whatsoever we do we are to do all to bring glory to God. It seems paradoxical to pray "thy kingdom come" and then knowingly vote in support of policies that oppose that kingdom or to say I am just rendering unto caesar what is caesar's when I am in fact choosing a caesar that I know opposes God and then cap it off by saying God will just have to over rule in this area that I am knowingly disregarding His will and utilizing my stewardship for my own "benefit". In the words of Cosby, "Come on People!"

Daniel · Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject:

I don't agree with President Obama here. I don't agree with President Obama on a number of things when it comes to Christianity, religion, or however you want to frame it. It is very clear that Obama simply does not know his Bible.

I do believe that he is Christian...but just very immature; his words and his deeds reflect that.

I think Ephesians 4:14, applies here. He is just not steeped in the Word. No different than any other new believer.

Son-of-Amos · Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:40 am Post subject:

Date: Jul 30, 2012
Subject: Fwd: Democratic Party to add gay marriage to platform | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Character is what you do when it is only between you and God and no one else can see what you are doing. I thank God that no matter how we try to justify ourselves...we cannot get around the Truth.

I Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. Will we do the same or will we Answer That God is God no matter race, religion or creed and we will honor Him in all we do? Your call.

Luke 9:26 - For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. We have to make a decision as believers, either God's Word is True or we can do what we want to and vote according to the flesh and not according to the standard that God has set....You choose knowing that what is done in secret God will reveal in the open. Remember I am not asking you to vote for anyone but if you knowingly vote for something that is totally against God's Word how do you even justify this to yourself?? Abortion, Envy & Now Gay Marriage.....sometimes their is a clear difference in our choices...just make sure that you have prayed before making yours....this is only to those who profess to be believers....the Bible tell us that the world will love its own. John 15:19....to whom do you belong??

Democratic Party to add gay marriage to platform | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/democratic-party-add-gay-marriage-platform- 161427697.html

The Democratic Party has added new language endorsing gay marriage in its platform draft, the Washington Blade reports. Sen. Harry Reid said in May that he believed the party would alter its platform in favor of gay marriage, after President Obama spoke out that month in favor of same-sex couples' right to marry.